If you are trying to modify
shocks or suspension by changing the type of oil viscosity,
or if you are curious about motor and gear oils, etc., this article may be of help.
If you are interested in how oil REALLY lubricates, refer to oilessay.htm
Some years ago, most of the oil
packaging industry changed from using SUS (Saybolt Universal Seconds) to Centistokes
when describing viscosity. I found
ERRORS in Spectro Oils own charts/graphs on their website. THEY were confusing
SUS and Cst, and a few other things. In February of
2010 I notified Spectro of these errors, and they "should" be
correcting them. The information I present to you below is the
CORRECT information, as far as I know, no matter
what you may find in literature from Spectro Oils.
Here is a website that has a chart, pdf format, that includes many oils I do not have listed below, AND EVEN SOME BICYCLE SHOCKS OILS!
I do have information available on
the viscosity and VI for SOME oils from SOME other manufacturers such as
Belray, Harley, Honda and Yamaha shock/suspension oils, and much is
in the SPECTRO pdf chart, that is BELOW as a hyperlink.
For Spectro products, the L. in front of the several characters following, means LITER size containers, and this L will be found on the containers as the product number. Other container sizes will have different prefixes, such as the small container that has an O as prefix for the SX400 oil, below, which signifies a PINT (why not a P?, no, I don't know) container. I list these prefixes, below, so that if you see them on your container, you will not be confused. It is the SAME oil inside the container, no matter what prefix is in the part number.
question mark (?), if any, means I am unsure of that value.
Note: see frontforks.htm article and see front-fork-oil-amounts articles.
I prefer Spectro's fork oils, or
suspension fluids. They are GOOD, have low stiction, wide
temperature range (decent VI too), and the viscosities can be
depended upon. NOTE that back in the early Airhead
days, the BMW fork oil was red, and was really a military
hydraulic oil, you could find its full specifications using a
search engine for: MIL-H-5606E. Just to save you the
trouble, the viscosity specifications for that oil are:
MINimum 4.9 Cst at 100° C
MINimum 13.2 Cst at 40° C
Maximum 600 Cst at -40° C
Due to how it is specified, and the lack of
superior stiction fighters, and some other characteristics, you are MUCH
better off with a REAL fork oil....especially a full synthetic
fork oil. For the
various fork oils and suspension fluids, the various
manufacturer's do not agree on measuring viscosity.
That is nearly cut and dried for engine and gear oils, not so for
these oils. Because of that, stick
with ONE manufacturer if playing with different or testing different viscosity grades.
Except for some GS models, all the old BMW's needed a
very thin oil, roughly SAE 4. For the most
part, you can translate that to modern 5 to 7-1/2 fork oils.
Note the 4.9 and 13.2 at the temperatures cited; compare those
figures with YOUR manufacturer's figures. A formula to
convert Cst to SUS is in the viscosity article, link just below. But, HEED my remarks about sticking
with ONE manufacturer.
|Oil style; Spectro number and description||
|O.SXSF SX400 Platinum Shock & Fork Oil, SAE 2.5W||
|L.SFUL Ultralight shock fluid||10.4||4.4||
|L.GSCF85/150, Golden Cartridge Fluid, very light. The “85” in the model description meant 85 SUS @100°F (16.9 Cst). Later containers may be marked as “7.5”||16.2||3.5||
|L.F05 Fork Oil 5W, SSU 105@100°F, 40.6@210°F||21.6||4.4||
L.GSCF125/150, Golden Cartridge Fluid,
The “125” in the model description meant 125 SUS @100°F.
Containers may be marked “5” or Marzzochi
|L.SFVL (prev. called SPL) Golden shock fluid, very light||26.4||9.9||
|L.F010 Fork Oil 10W, SSU 156@100°F, 43.7@210°F||33.3||5.3||
|L.F015 Fork Oil 15W, SUS 220@100°F, 48@210°F||47.2||6.6||
|Old round bottle, #3Light, SSPL series. The bottle says: 220 SUS@100°F; 85 SUS@210°F||47.6||16.9||
|L.F020 Fork Oil 20W, SUS 335@100°F, 54.1@210°||72.2||8.5||
|Belray fork oil 20||
|Harley Davidson Screaming Eagle||67.3||10.42|
|Harley Davidson Type E||38||7|
|Belray fork oil 10||37.4||5.8||100|
|Honda Showa SS8 Fork Oil 10W||35.48||7.38||200|
|Belray H.V.I. 5W shock fluid||20.75||6.67||300|
|Belray fork oil 5W||20.5||6.2||280|
|Honda Showa SS7 5W fork and shock oil||16.49||3.77||130|
|Yamaha 01 fork oil for Kayaba||14.57||3.45||150|
|Belray H.V.I. 3W shock fluid||12.6||4.1||300|
|Belray fork oil 2.5W||9.2||1.9||60|
|Maxima bicycle fork fluid 10Wt, or fork oil 10Wt||32.||6.28|
|Motul fork oil, light||20.||6.|
|Rockshox 5W medium, hydracoil, Torco||19.9||5.7|
|Castrol fork oil 10Wt||15.||4.|
|Silkolene Pro RSF 2.5Wt||14.||5.8|
|Military Mil-H-5606E, the original red BMW oil (~4wt)||MIN 13.2||MIN 4.9|
|ASK, I have plenty more. E-mail me: CLICK|
|Motor oil and gear oil grades are in another chart, BELOW|
COMPARO BAR-CHART, PDF Format:
In early 2010, I noticed, on two occasions, errors in the data, and the chart, that Spectro-oils.com had on their website. I notified Spectro Oils on these occasions, and the last error, a serious one of reversing the 40°C/100°C data on a comparisons of oils chart, was fixed by Spectro; upon which they sent me another thank you note. The above data on this page comes from updated information; and this chart, clickable below in pdf format, has been corrected by Spectro themselves at my urging.
This chart can be useful, as it lists more oils than I have on this page you are reading; and gives a colored bar-chart appearance, which may be easier for you to use.
I have imported it, in pdf format, into this website.
Here is a hyperlink to
MOTOR OIL GRADES:
ISO grade @40°C
Cst @100°C (210°F)
32 = 28.8 to 35.2
3.8 to 4.1
46 = 41.4 to 50.6
|4.1 to 5.6|
|20||68 = 61.2 to 74.8||5.6 to 9.29|
|30||100 = 90.0-110||9.3 to 12.49|
|40||150 = 135 - 165||12.5 to 16.29|
|50||220 = 198-242||16.3 to 21.89|
|60||320 = 288-352||
21.9 to 26.09
GEAR OIL GRADES:
SAE GEAR Grade
ISO grade @40°C
Cst @100°C (210°F)
|80||68 = 460 = 414-506||
7.00 to 11.00
|90||220 =680 = 612-748||13.5 to 23.99|
|140||~500 = 1000 = 900-1100||24 to 40.99|
|250||1500 = 1350-1650||41+|
Miscl. oil information:
Shell Rotella-T oil in 15W40: 100 Cst @40°C; 15 Cst @100°C;
calcium 0.27%; zinc 0.135%; phosphorus 0.120%.
Valvoline 4-stroke motorcycle oil, 10W40: 104.1 Cst @40°C; 15.2 Cst @100°C.
" " " " 20W50: 169.4 18.6
Both of the above Valvoline oils: zinc 0.112%; phosphorus 0.104%; calcium 0.182%; sodium
Spectro engine oils: All have 1800 ppm zinc and phosphorus
Castrol's 4T oil, (and Grand Prix oil, which is the SAME OIL) in either grade 10W40 or 20W50, as appropriate to your climate, is SG rated and formulated. Zinc component is 1100ppm; Calcium component is 1900 ppm; and Phosphorus component is 1000 ppm.
The following is generally accepted
For MOTOR oils, in STRAIGHT grades, for 20, 30, 40, and 50 grades, the manufacturers do NOT HAVE TO SPECIFY viscosity at 0°F;…only needed are specifications at 210°F. In general, most oils are USUALLY specified at 100°C (210°F) and 40°C (100°F). A manufacturer may specify at lower temperatures. The actual SAE official methods of specifying viscosity are rather complex, particularly for motor oils at temperature extremes, so I have not gotten into this in depth in this article, which would have add a whole page to it!
SAE grades 5W and 10W have a LOW temperature specification.
SAE 5W need not have any minimum at 0°F but a maximum generally
taken to be 6,000 SUS;
10W has a maximum at 0°F, generally taken
to be 12,000 SUS, and a minimum generally taken
to be 6,000.
In older specifications, some of which may still be in use, oils
under 20 weight
are generally taken to NOT have any 210°F rating
for viscosity, except a minimum. The
specifications on oils
were set up so that oils that had a W in their specification were
not specified at 0°F, but at 210°F. Yes, this seems to conflict with 5W, 10W (and 0W not mentioned).
Figures are based on a VI of 96 in single grades. Because of this, and the fact that oil viscosity indexes can vary so widely, take figures that seem precise, as approximates.
SAE grades 75W, 80W, and 85 W have a LOW temperature specification.
I have not listed the NON-'W" gear grades. These have similar 100°C ratings.
You have probably noticed that GEAR oils have their own viscosities, and generally a gear grade
number is close to twice an engine oil grade number, for roughly the same viscosity. There ARE
straight single weight gear oils. An example might be a straight 90 weight gear oil. This can have
a specification at 210°F of 75 to 120 in viscosity, SUS.
it is confusing!
Converting SUS to Cst:
formula varies, depending on the rated SUS value.
Other, less accurate formulas exist, and are usually plenty good enough.
SUS between 32 and 99; use this formula:
Cst = 0.2253 x SUS - (194.4 ÷ SUS)
SUS between 100 and 240; use this formula:
Cst = 0.2193 x SUS – (134.6 ÷ SUS)
SUS greater than 240; use this formula:
Cst = SUS ÷ 4.635
03/12/2010: O.SXSF had two entries, with different viscosities, due to Spectro Website
confusion. Obtained correct information. ALSO re: L.SFVL, 400 VI was
confirmed, so its question mark was eliminated.
03/18/2010: Make first chart a formal TABLE, to keep things in nice order
03/22/2010: Greatly expand information, clean up page......and convert to tables format
throughout so display in various browsers and many screen sizes is consistent.
03/23/2010: Add hyperlink: http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/files/suspension%20oils.pdf
later that same day, add more listings.
04/05/2010: Update; and ADD ShockOilComparo bar chart in pdf format as hyperlink
04/13/2010: Add more oils and specifications
11/18/2010: add Castrol 4T
02/24/2011: change from 52F to 52D.
02/24/2011: was 52D, now 51D.
08/08/2012: Add two links (to my articles)
08/09/2012: revise layout
10/15/2012: Add QR code, add language button, update Google Ad-Sense code
11/07/2012: Greatly improved table presentation; but NO technical details changed.
01/21/2014: Remove Peter Verdone Designs hyperlink, website is NLA
03/03/2014: Add more information on fork oils before the chart.
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